Episode #9: Ennea-WHAT?! (Part 2)

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Part 2 of our discussion about the Enneagram is comin’ at you hot! In this episode, we dig into the Ego Self versus the True Self, share stories of how the Enneagram has impacted our lives and relationships, and all out geek out over this personality typing system we’re obsessed with. We’re once again referencing the great book by Don Riso and Russ Hudson, The Wisdom of the Enneagram. Check it out, friends!

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Show Notes For Episode #9

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Episode #8: Ennea-WHAT?! (Part 1)

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Friends- the day is here. We’re finally digging into the ever-elusive Enneagram. In this episode, Nic, Mere, and special guest (Nic’s mom, Barbara) discuss all things Enneagram. Throughout this conversation, we use learnings from the book The Wisdom of the Enneagram, which we’ve all found incredibly helpful in understanding this transformative model. It was written by two Enneagram experts, Don Riso and Russ Hudson, which you will hear referenced throughout the podcast. We think you’ll love this conversation and hope it inspires you to do more work with this sacred personality typing system. It is seriously game changing. As a quick FYI, this is a two part series, so be sure to join us again for Part 2 in a couple of weeks.

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SHOW NOTES FOR EPISODE #8

The references Nicole makes throughout the episode (as she describes the different types) comes from the book The Wisdom of the Enneagram by two Enneagram experts, Don Riso and Russ Hudson. Riso and Hudson are founders of the Enneagram Institute, and their website provides a test where you can learn your Enneagram type. Ian Cron also provides a (free) test on his website. You’ve heard us reference his podcast, Typology, in previous episodes, and if you haven’t checked it out yet, we highly recommend it! His book The Road Back To You and his podcast are great starting points for learning about this ancient tradition. This episode is one of our favorites.

Mere also references Jen Hatmaker’s podcast episode she did with Chris Heuertz, author of The Sacred Enneagram and another Enneagram expert (who has been a disciple of folks like Mother Teresa and Richard Rohr). This is another resource if you would like to learn more about the Enneagram. Mere is also in the middle of his book and, though it can be a bit heady, it also has a contemplative, spiritual depth that is appreciated.

Last Enneagram resource we’ll remind you of before we get to the two fun things mentioned in our Shoot The Breeze episode: The Liturgist Podcast episode with Ian Cron and Susan Stabile discussing the Enneagram is arguably the BEST starting point to learn. We’ve linked this particular episode many other times in our show notes because truly, we cannot say enough about it. It’s definitely time to check it out if you haven’t already!

And finally, the two fun things referenced in the beginning of the show: The Giving Keys and the Digital Gene App. Yes, purchasing a Giving Key will cost you $40. AND. You are employing folks transitioning out of homelessness AND purchasing a word that speaks to you; a word out of which you can live for as long as you need before you pass it along to someone who needs it next. You might remember Nicole passing Meredith her “Courage” key in Episode 7 before Meredith shared her Deconstruction story. You can learn more about this fabulous company here.

The second fun mention is the Digital Gene World Map Puzzle that is like the nerd’s version of Bedazzled Jewels- or whatever that game was. It’s like a matching game but for countries all over the world. And there are levels! This actually sounds right up my (Mere’s) ally- I once knew all of the capitals in the world thanks to my 7th grade Geography teacher, Dr. O’Brien. Thanks, Nic, for getting us all addicted to this app!

Ok, friends, that’s it from us. As always, thanks for listening, and do feel free to connect with us on Instagram or by shooting an email to roomforbothpodcast@gmail.com!

-Nic & Mere

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Episode #7: Breaking Faith- Our Deconstruction Stories (Part 2)

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We’re back, friends! On this episode of the Room For Both Podcast, Mere shares her wildly honest journey of the unearthing that has been her spiritual deconstruction. It’s rich and raw and full of insight and encouragement that even as faith structures fall, there is hope and beauty in the aftermath.

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SHOW NOTES FOR EPISODE #7

Here are all of the books, names, and quotes mentioned throughout this conversation. Dig in friends- it’s such good stuff!

First off, the voices that have been profoundly impactful to Mere:

Jonathan Martin- His book, How To Survive A Shipwreck, and his podcast, Son Of A Preacher Man, have both been SO, SO, SO important to Mere’s healing and deconstruction journey. Can’t say enough.

Bonnie Gray’s Finding Spiritual Whitespace. To be fair, Mere didn’t finish reading it, but this book did prove to be profoundly meaningful in many ways (even despite the flowery prose).

And then there’s The Chronicles of Narnia on Audible (narrated by Maurice Denham with a full cast). It is the PERFECT road trip companion. It’s especially wonderful if you have kids, though we are all just kids, really, so it’s basically a perfect road companion for anyone. It’s such a gift to the soul. And then there’s the books themselves...essentially what we’re saying is: get the Chronicles of Narnia in your system however you can.

Moving along to the ever-elusive Enneagram that we KEEP talking about (and have upcoming episodes to unpack!)

Ian Cron’s book, The Road Back To You is a FANTASTIC introduction to the Enneagream. He also has a podcast (Typology) in which he interviews various people with different Enneagram numbers, which is another fascinating way to expose yourself to this ancient framework for understanding yourself and others. Some of our faves include the episode with Father Richard Rohr, William Paul Young, and the one where Ian has his entire family on the show.

**Another helpful starting point for the Enneagram AND Spiral Dynamics (the colors Nic mentions) is through the Liturgist podcast (which, incidentally, just had Richard Rohr on the show!) Look at his face and tell us you don’t well up with tears like we do!

This episode is where the Liturgists unpack the Enneagram and go through all 9 types, and in this episode they unpack Spiral Dynamics!

Oh, and of course, some of our favorite badass women teachers we have read, follow, and adore:

Glennon Doyle- Author of the wildly beautiful and raw books Love Warrior and Carry On, Warrior. You can also find her dropping some serious truth bombs on Instagram or on this episode of the Deconstructionist podcast.

Nadia Bolz-Weber- Truth-telling, potty-mouthed, Jesus-revering, church-loving pastor based in Denver, Colorado. Read her book, Pastrix, and prepare to have your mind expanded.

Jen Hatmaker- Mere’s personal hero. We know, we know, yours, too. Mere’s favorite book of Jen’s that had her cackling and nearly wetting her pants in public: For The Love. Perhaps one of her favorite books to date. Just wait until Chapter 15.

We’re also just wondering how many times we might have uttered Richard Rohr’s name throughout this episode? 20? 30? 180? Either way, here’s the book Mere mentioned toward the end of Processing Out Loud. If you’re new to Father Richard’s work, this book is a great starting point.

And finally, here is the comprehensive list of all of the wonderful resources we discussed in our Yes-And segment:

Simplicity, Falling Upward and Breathing Underwater all by Richard Rohr (we told you, we’re obsessed).  Quick note: Meredith is now reading Breathing Underwater per Barbara’s (aka Nic’s Mom’s) recommendation and it.is.pro.found. So deeply illuminating and helpful.

Finding God in the Waves by Science Mike (the story of how Science Mike lost his faith and re-discovered it through science)

And don’t forget to check the highlights on our IG! Thanks, as always, for listening, and do feel free to connect with us on Instagram or by shooting us an email to roomforbothpodcast@gmail.com!

-Nic & Mere

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Episode #6: Breaking Faith- Our Deconstruction Stories (Part 1)

 
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We're in Part 1 of our discussion about spiritual deconstruction and we're sharing our experiences of breaking faith structures, who has helped us navigate the waters, and some things we've learned along the way.

Nic’s up first and tells us the story of how her relationship with God, the church, and her understanding of the Holy has transformed over the last several years, as she's found herself at the intersection of conflicting messages, difficult circumstances, and a faith that continues to beckon her. If you've ever experienced a deconstruction of faith of your own (or if you're wondering what this deconstruction thing is all about) we hope to break it down and keep it real! 

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SHOW NOTES FOR EPISODE #6

In this Shoot The Breeze, we utter the term “dry tinkle." So. You’re welcome for that. But before we (ahem, Mere) uses such a remarkable phrase, we talk recipes from a dinner party we had with our college crew the night before. 

Here goes....

If you’re not following Bakerita (Rachel Connors) on Insta, YA NEED TO BE. If you are ever in need of delicious dessert recipes, Rachel is your girl. Her No Bake Cherry Cheesecake with Chocolate Ganache did not disappoint. (Cue Meredith eating everyone's leftover crust as she cleaned up the dishes...)

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Here are the other recipes we mention: Paleo Lettuce Wraps + Walnut/Mushroom Meat Substitute + Cilantro Lime Rice

And of course, the mighty Instant Pot- revolutionizing cooking for non-cooks and cooks everywhere! (3-MINUTE CHICKEN NOODLE DISH, ANYONE?!) (See below for the pic of the noodle dish Nic mentions by Pinch of Yum).

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Photo from the @pinchofyum website

 

We also mentioned the glory that is Queer Eye. Tell us you are already watching this show.

Okay, whew. We can be friends.

Photo Cred: People Magazine. Aren't they gorgeous?

Photo Cred: People Magazine. Aren't they gorgeous?

We must know: what is your favorite episode?!

And to finalize our Shoot the Breeze show notes....may we now present, the Antoni and Christian Bale comparison:

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Young Christian Bale in Newsies

Our handsome friend, Antoni.

Our handsome friend, Antoni.

 

Twins, right? Thank you. (Please picture Mere in the background shouting, "I MEAN LOOK AT THEIR MOUTHS. THEY HAVE THE EXACT. SAME. MOUTHS. IT'S UNCANNY!")

Now moving into our Processing Out Loud segment…

If you find yourself on any kind of deconstruction journey, Mere highly recommends Jonathan Martin’s book, How To Survive A Shipwreck. He speaks with authority and vulnerability, compassion and resilience. (Also of note: Jonathan has a podcast, Son of a Preacher Man, that is particularly wonderful and also touches on themes of deconstruction.)

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Nic also mentions a church she and her husband, Jeff, attended when they lived in Atlanta- Kairos Church- in case any of you Atlanta dwellers are interested in a space that feels as refreshing and honest as an AA meeting.

Finally, Nicole recites a Richard Rohr quote saying, “The church is both my greatest intellectual problem and my most consoling home.”

Friends, if you want a voice to speak with tenderness and grace to you wherever you find yourself on your faith journey, might we recommend some readings by Richard Rohr? Nic is currently reading ‘Falling Upward’ and Mere is reading ‘Simplicity’. These are just two of the MANY books he has written. His words are like taking in a deep breath of air that your soul has needed to inhale for a long, long time. (Also of note: Father Rohr appears a couple of times on the Deconstructionist podcast and each of the episodes is magnificent).

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Thanks for traversing with us into the wild, glorious territory that is the deconstruction of faith. We will be curious if any of you have experienced faith deconstructions of your own! 

-nic & Mere

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Episode #5: Truth Bombs For Our Younger Selves

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In this episode, we reflect on what we would tell our 20, 25, and 30 year old selves. From prioritizing community, to no longer "suffocating from the shoulds," and extending grace to ourselves for the journey we're on, this is a discussion to which we hope many of you can connect and relate.

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In the first part of the show, we discuss the INCREDIBLE dinner we had at The Populist in Denver. 

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This is the Salt & Vinegar popcorn we mention. SO STINKING good. 

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A pic of us with our dear friend and future Bonus Mom, Brit. We mention her in the show for being a BOSS and such a huge help to us throughout this podcast endeavor. Oh, and this is the gorgeous patio/ivy wall we reference- isn't she a beaut?!

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Just the casual/lovely display of fare you can expect at The Populist

 
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Mere has been digging the Head to Heart Podcast with Christa and Luke Gifford (@spirituallysexy / @masterheart.luke / @headtoheartpodcast on Instagram). It’s a podcast detailing their faith and marital journey (and how they came back stronger than ever after infidelity). The podcast episode Mere references is Episode 11 (she thinks…) Overall, she finds Head to Heart a really interesting listen with authentic (sometimes downright ballsy) conversation between this married duo.

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Mere learned the term 'deconstruction' through Jonathan Martin, host of the Son Of A Preacher Man podcast and someone who has been a big voice of healing for Mere. Side note: Jonathan also creates daily meditations which you can sign up for here.

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Nic mentions the Liturgist podcast in reference to deconstruction of faith. Nic has found the topics and conversations on this podcast particularly interesting, thoughtful, and insightful during her own deconstruction journey. 

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What Nic is digging: Amazon Smile! If you order through this URL when you place a qualifying purchase, you can benefit a charity of your choice! WHAT A GREAT WAY TO SHOP AND GIVE BACK AT THE EXACT SAME TIME! Now THERE'S a reason to smile. #sorry #hadto

Also, any other HP lovers in the house?! Even after living with Nicole for four years, Mere JUST learned that Nicole reads all of the Harry Potter books every fall. We may need to do an episode on Harry Potter to honor Nic and her move to London.....

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Ok. Moving right along. Remember the gal who told her client her kids "aren't that cute" ? This is her! Wendy Mogel, parenting expert and guest on the Armchair Expert podcast (hosted by Dax Shepherd). She looks too gentle to have told someone her kids weren't cute. Oh to live in such freedom...

Lastly, Mere recommends this restaurateur, yogi, business badass, and down-to-earth British gal, Ella Woodward, with whom Nic ABSOLUTELY MUST become bffs when she moves to London. I (Mere) act like I know the woman when really I'm just a BIG FAN. Her recipes and cookbooks and other endeavors are GORGEOUS people. Check this gem of a human out.   

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We hope you've enjoyed this discussion as much as we have. And we're curious: What would you tell your 20, 25, or 30 year old self? Give us your thoughts on Instagram or shoot us an email. We absolutely LOVE HEARING FROM YOU. 

Ok. We're done yelling. We adore you, RFB tribe. Catch you next time!

-Nic & Mere

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Episode #4: The Danger Zone

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In this episode, we unpack the Families Belong Together rally we attended in Denver. As we processed our experience, the conversation quickly transitioned to a dialogue about the impact of dehumanizing the ‘other side’ and how it chips away at our common humanity. We also unpack how we can hold space for curiosity toward ourselves and others (to include those to whom we stand in direction opposition). We'll be eager to hear your thoughts!

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SHOW NOTES FOR EPISODE #4

Well. Shoot the Breeze was an actual RIOT. You’ve got to let us know: What did YOU want to be if you could MTV Made?! And any other Free Willy folks in the house!?

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Also. Can we talk about this incredible photographic evidence that Nicole indeed was the bravest 13-year-old ever who wanted to be a whale trainer at Sea World? (Note: we get this photo isn’t with her and an actual whale, but still. She’s in the water with a giant dolphin in a wet suit. Girl is badass.)

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Gosh, that was a trip. Now we've got Michael Jackson stuck in our heads again. 

Oh, and if you're curious about Mere's MTV Made dreams, here is the dance she tried to recreate at a frat house in college. ;) 

 

If you’re curious about any of the podcasts or books we referenced throughout the show, don’t worry, we’ve got you covered right here:

Crucial Conversations: This is the book Nic mentioned that was supremely helpful to her and her family as they wade through difficult conversations but still desire to come out on the other side closer, not divided or at odds. I (Mere) could certainly stand to read this book!

We also referenced the following podcasts:

 

Mere mentioned the Head and the Heart podcast. This is a show by a married duo who have been through some STUFF. Now they’re using their stories to share some of deep wisdom they’ve learned through it all. I (Mere) particularly love the first meditation after Episode 1 of 2018.

Ian Cron’s Typology podcast- this show is Enneagram specific. He has spectacular guests on the show and their conversations and stories are explained through the lens of this particular personality typing system. It’s FASCINATING and so helpful for learning more about yourself and your friends and family. Game changer. Check it out here.

Nic mentioned Christena Cleveland on the Liturgist podcast, a professor of Practice of Reconciliation at Duke University’s Divinity School who prayed with her students for President Trump after his election. You can listen to this powerful podcast episode here. (No matter where you stand on Trump, the concept of reconciliation explained through the gentleness of Professor Cleveland is so peace-giving.)

Of course we also referenced a Brene Brown book. WE CAN’T HELP OURSELVES. Mere mentioned Braving The Wilderness (her personal fav of all the BB books) when she discussed the concept of being ‘inextricably connected’ as Brene discusses in this book.

We deeply appreciated the opportunity to be a part of the Families Belong Together Rally and loved unpacking our various ‘takeaways’. We hope you enjoyed this episode as well. If you have any feedback or comments, we’d love to connect with you over on Instagram. You can also shoot us an email at roomforbothpodcast@gmail.com.

Oh! And if you haven’t had a chance to rate and review the podcast, we’d love it if you would! Ratings and reviews are a HUGE help as we get this project off the ground, so thank you if you already have, and thank you if you plan to. And while you’re at it, share the podcast with some friends you think would enjoy this type of content!

We'll leave you with some pictures from the rally...

Thanks for journeying with us through these waters, friends. As always, we'd love to hear your thoughts, input, and questions. Drop us a line on Instagram or via email. Until next time!

-Nic & Mere

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Episode #2: Piña Coladas, Prison Scandals, and A Whole Lotta Hope (Part 1)

In this episode of the Room For Both Podcast, we chat with Sarah Jackson, founder of Casa de Paz and host/friend/advocate to thousands of immigrants who have been detained in the United States. The Casa's mission is simple: Ease the isolating experience of immigrant detention one simple act of love at a time.

We had such a rich conversation with Sarah that we've split this discussion into two parts. Join us this time as we learn where Sarah got the idea to start Casa de Paz, who she's met along the way, and what she hopes we can all walk away from this discussion understanding about immigration.

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Episode #1: Have You Been Brenéd?!

In this episode, we chat all things Brené Brown. From the takeaways we've gained through her books, to the perks (and challenges) of being vulnerable, we explain why we're so into this shame researcher from Texas and how her principles have made our lives and relationships richer. You'll also hear a bit more about why we started this podcast, as well as some products we're currently LOVING.

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